If they're not going to do Original Flavor Ocean's (Soderbergh + DAVID HOLMES, this is CRUCIAL), then I'd love to see them do a plausible, gritty affair much like how "Ocean's Twelve" at times threatened to be. David Leitch is not the guy that can make that happen. For years they said they couldn't do another one without Bernie Mac, and eventually Carl Reiner -- gonna be pretty sour if after all those testimonials they just swap both of them out for someone else.
As for Marvel, really their biggest problem, the same problem in the comics, is that there were no stakes because nobody ever died or even got hurt. It would have been best to kill some of these above-the-title characters, but they can't even do the cowardly thing and off the supporting characters, the Foggy Nelsons and the Happy Hogans. Now we're getting an Avengers movie where Cap and Iron Man, of all people, aren't dead -- and yes, I know they are playing completely different characters, but the whole reason they're showing up is paying off past appearances in Marvel.
I think there were a lot of darker plans for that third Ant-Man. There were whispers that Kang would kill Ant-Man -- not a great idea for that movie, but it's good they considered it. But then there was the idea to kill Hank Pym and therefore free Michael Douglas of this humiliating phase of his career, and somehow they couldn't manage that entirely easy ask, which told you everything about Disney being so risk averse. Now you have to deal with new Avengers movies that are meant to address a much more crowded world than the one in "Endgame" but will only leave fans wondering, "How come you didn't find the space for Guy X/Girl Y?"
Really, this is such an easy fix. Just have these guys pick up SOME SORT of battle damage. They all have world-ending brawls, and none of them gets a fractured pinkie? It would be so badass if the "Endgame" battle was victorious, but several characters lost their limbs. Even Thor gets his fitness and his eye back. Come on, just a bit of lasting damage will go a long way. Now you're gonna have a First Act of "Doomsday" that kills at least one major character (Wasp, probably), and the fans are gonna be like, "Well, that makes sense, so-and-so has been around for a while, and they need to make space for other characters." Hardly an exciting level of surprise.
If they're not going to do Original Flavor Ocean's (Soderbergh + DAVID HOLMES, this is CRUCIAL), then I'd love to see them do a plausible, gritty affair much like how "Ocean's Twelve" at times threatened to be. David Leitch is not the guy that can make that happen. For years they said they couldn't do another one without Bernie Mac, and eventually Carl Reiner -- gonna be pretty sour if after all those testimonials they just swap both of them out for someone else.
As for Marvel, really their biggest problem, the same problem in the comics, is that there were no stakes because nobody ever died or even got hurt. It would have been best to kill some of these above-the-title characters, but they can't even do the cowardly thing and off the supporting characters, the Foggy Nelsons and the Happy Hogans. Now we're getting an Avengers movie where Cap and Iron Man, of all people, aren't dead -- and yes, I know they are playing completely different characters, but the whole reason they're showing up is paying off past appearances in Marvel.
I think there were a lot of darker plans for that third Ant-Man. There were whispers that Kang would kill Ant-Man -- not a great idea for that movie, but it's good they considered it. But then there was the idea to kill Hank Pym and therefore free Michael Douglas of this humiliating phase of his career, and somehow they couldn't manage that entirely easy ask, which told you everything about Disney being so risk averse. Now you have to deal with new Avengers movies that are meant to address a much more crowded world than the one in "Endgame" but will only leave fans wondering, "How come you didn't find the space for Guy X/Girl Y?"
Really, this is such an easy fix. Just have these guys pick up SOME SORT of battle damage. They all have world-ending brawls, and none of them gets a fractured pinkie? It would be so badass if the "Endgame" battle was victorious, but several characters lost their limbs. Even Thor gets his fitness and his eye back. Come on, just a bit of lasting damage will go a long way. Now you're gonna have a First Act of "Doomsday" that kills at least one major character (Wasp, probably), and the fans are gonna be like, "Well, that makes sense, so-and-so has been around for a while, and they need to make space for other characters." Hardly an exciting level of surprise.
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